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The Langham Wind Farm Project

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27 Responses to “The Langham Wind Farm Project”

  1. David Says:

    There’s a (poorly-maintained - sorry) website here - http://stop.langhamwindfarm.co.uk/ that’ll give you an idea how close and how big it will be.

  2. Cromwell Says:

    Just to help the debate along: I was wondering if anyone anywhere has actually quantified the cost benefits in both cash terms and environmental impact, in the manufacture, installation and maintenance of these things.

    I am still wrestling with the payback on my solar water heating and fear I may not have enough time on this planet to make any profit! So I hope that wind turbines have a sufficient life-expectancy to justify the ugly visual impact they are having on our coast-line.

  3. Jo Says:

    The trouble with all these eco friendly alternatives is that they usually cost the end user far more one way or another, whether it be financially or in the case of a wind farm - let’s save our environment and stick 6 great big ugly towers within that environment and spoil it anyway!

    No doubt with profits of ¬£544m last year npower will want to pass on the cost of this exercise to the consumers as apparently a new power station in Notts will cost more than their profits anyway, after all they certainly don’t pass on any savings.

    What I am curious to know is that if wind farms are such a good idea why are new gas-powered power stations also being built, I thought they said renewable sources are the way forward.

  4. David Says:

    The government has told every power company that they have to ensure that X% of their electricity is generated by renewables. There are substantial grants available to assist them.

    But I guess that the pro- lobby would say that it’s not merely a “cost/benefit analysis” issue.

    I am quite willing to believe that man-made global warming is a big concern, and I can sort of accept that offshore wind generation is a good idea (even though the cost/benefit is even worse for offshore!). For that reason I haven’t moaned a great deal about the 54 turbines I can see out of my window and the 70 more that are on their way!
    (incidentally, because there is insufficient capacity to connect to the National Grid, the newest offshore farm will not be able to connect Nr Skegness. It is planned that the cables will go across The Wash to Norfolk - which is designated a National Nature Reserve - so that should be interesting!)

    I also don’t mind TOO much about the other 14 I can see out of my other windows (Mablethorpe, Croft) - because they are a few miles away from here. Not just half a mile away.

    But I do think that I have the right to be a Nimby!
    The Lincolnshire coast and marshes are renowned for their “big skies” and wide, open views. It’s so obviously the wrong place for them - slap bang in the centre of the proposed Coastal Country Park and the Coastal Grazing Marshes projects.

    I’m also none too impressed about the slick way N-Power have used their PR expertise to attempt to influence local residents and local councillors - but I’ll save more of that for later!

  5. Jo Says:

    I recall seeing a Look North report sometime ago about a wind farm, the location escapes me but being Look North it couldn’t have been far away and the noise is I believe quite a major factor, not just for residents but obviously surrounding wildlife and livestock.

    With the turbines going at higher speeds at night they are often more audible then than during the day so is this the end to our peaceful nights?

  6. David Says:

    Hi Jo

    If I remember correctly the Application doesn’t give any *qualatative* info at all, just tables and graphs of Decibel figures.
    The full application, with the Environmental Impact Assessment etc. is available through this link: http://www.e-lindsey.gov.uk/e-docs/97362_1.pdf.
    But beware, it’s 78Mb filesize! And East Lindsey just photographically scanned the original documents - so it’s not possible to search for words or jump between sections etc.

    Alternatively N-Power will sell you a copy for a mere £80 (I suppose they have to try to recoup the £50,000 that they paid ELDC on 20/11/06 to make the Application)

  7. Karen Says:

    Finding out a bit more about the turbines it appears that the DTI commisioned an independant body to carry out a study into noise at three UK wind farms. Two of the three noise types, Infrasound and Low Frequency noise (LFN) appeared to be within acceptable limits - likened to “less than traffic noise” which is good spin as we all may hear a car pass our properties but this lasts seconds not all night! The third Aerodynamic Modulation was found to not wake people but once again cause difficulty getting back to sleep. Great for light sleepers!

    They recommended “The analysis of internal and external noise levels within dwellings neighbouring wind farms which have been identified as giving rise to probems associated with noise indicate that significant levels of infrasound and low frequency noise were not found. However, the presence of aerodynamic modulation which is greater than that originally foreseen by the authors of ETSU-R-97, particularly during the night hours, can result in internal wind farm noise levels which are audible and which may provoke an adverse reaction from a listener. This may take the form of increased time in returning to sleep for an occupant although noise associated with the wind darms was not found to awaken the occupant.

    To take account of periods when aerodynamic modulation is a clearly audible feature within the incident noise, it is recommended that a means to asses and apply a correction to the incident noise is develeoped. however it is beyong the scope of this report to consider the issue of appropriate assesment and acounstic feature correction methodologies for this character within the incident noise from a wind farm/turbine”

    I have yet to find which report it is “in scope” in.

    There are also sites which discuss the environmental impact on drainage. The spin is that these turbines are “green” (although greater benefit is to be had from sea based turbines which are dearer to create and no extra subsidy is available to encourage this) they are made from non renewable materials with huge concrete bases which can affect natural drainage, especially pertinent that we live on an area whose natural drainage needs to be controlled.

    Wildlife can also be affected. Conservationalist, David Bellamy is against wind turbines and various info sources say that because they rotate they kill a number of less agile birdlife and bats. Most manmade structures do, buildings, pylons etc but none of these rotate with solid blades.

    I also recall Mr Bellamy stating that they are also not as green as advertised as they require generators to start the blades and these run on fossil fuels.

    Considering that turbines, due to the inconsistancies in the reliability of wind only produce about 1/4 of their capacity one has to wonder whether the government subsidies to move the country to greener alternatives are an incentive for profit orientated companies.

    I am an advocate of the “green” way - recycling, reduction of use of fossil fuels, management of carbon footprint etc but there are alternatives to the siting of turbines which will provide a benefit to future generations but because of the ‘fat cat’ mentality this appears to come 2nd to profit.

    Wouldnt it be better to allow an organisation like Greenpeace to have consultative rights over siting and long-term green benefit vs short term profits or are we too trusting in companies with ‘green credentials’.

    Remember…..years ago smoking was said to be good for the health!

    Do we have any groups close to the Mablethorpe wind farms with experience of these issues? Whilst they look lovely from a distance (sorry Mablethorpe but they are quite majestic) would I think the same siting in my deck chair on a quiet summer evening, selfishly No!

  8. David Says:

    Unfortunately these arguments won’t have any place in the planning process at all.

    By the way, here are some “photomontages” of the proposed turbines (bear in mind that, as far as I am aware, the locations were chosen by, and the montages paid for by the Applicant).
    http://www.natwindpower.co.uk/langham/langham_montages.asp

  9. Anderby lover Says:

    I personnally would not mind the wind turbines being in the field at the back of me IF and it is a big IF I knew they were all going to work all the time. When I look out onto the turbines at sea more often than not they are not working and if one is the rest aren’t.
    What I want to know is why if they are not all going to work do they put so many up in one place??

  10. David Says:

    The rumour I have heard Re. the offshore ones is that there is only Grid capacity for up to 17 of them to supply power simultaneously.
    In fact Engineering papers have been published on the web that show that the techies have had to invent (what I’d call) a wangle to squeeze even that amount through!
    PDF here: http://www.eon-uk.com/downloads/RPZ_Skegness_Project.pdf

    Whilst I respect the fact that everyone’s entitled to their own idea of what they find visually attractive, I’m not too sure that you would actually like 6 x 420 ft high constructions in that field! If I look over the field where they want to put the turbines I can see a few telegraph poles. Multiply their height by a factor of 20 and their width by a factor of hundreds…

  11. Christopher Holligan Says:

    We are threatened with fourteen turbines at Saltfleetby. Will David Quinton please get in touch with me. Am in contact with the folk at Baumber, North Cotes, Pointon Fen &, hopefully, Conisholme. Would like to arrange a joint meeting. At least four will be at North Cotes, and a further ten or even twenty at Conisholme; eight at Baumber; there are two at Croft; six proposed for Pointon and negotiations are in progress with the Crown Estates for a further minimum of thirty there. Where will it all end?

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  13. Miriam Crouch Says:

    I found this site when Googling the Croft wind turbines (because I’d heard they haven’t been working for a year and there’s a mysterious diesel or oil leak in the marsh near them - anyone know anything?). I just wanted to reply to Karen about noise - maybe you’ve heard about Jane Davis from Deeping St Nicholas who had to abandon her home because of the noise from the windfarms? Try Googling her name for more info.

    Also, to everyone, be very afraid. Don’t believe a word the developers say! This week there has been ice thrown from a turbine near Peterborough - shards about 2ft long crashing about the houses! The developers said this would never happen!

    I live in South Lincs and I’ve been campaigning against these useless machines for 10 years now. My best advice is don’t listen to those who will make loads of money from these machines, rather look at websites run by unpaid groups trying to save their landscapes (and house values) from destruction: try Caithness Windfarms for starters - especially the ‘accident’ section.

  14. David Says:

    This article (re overblown claims for CO2 reduction)
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/23/wind_spin_overblown/
    is interesting.
    As are many of the readers’ comments…

  15. maurice Says:

    I think this web site is up anderby creek without a paddle

  16. maurice Says:

    I urge anyone interested in the future of Anderby to go along to the Bachuss Hotel on the 30th nov to look at the local plane for the area.

  17. maurice Says:

    It would be very interesting to know how many people have read this web site in the last 6mths.

  18. mr b Says:

    Let’s face it there would be no need for a wind farm if the TORY’S had never closed all the pits in the first place.So those to blame are the TORY voters you would’nt be in this position over energy if they had listened to ARTHUR in the first place.It’s Wind or Nuclear from now on take your pick .I bet there was’nt many in Lincolnshire supporting the MINERS when they was closing the pits becuase most of them was to busy voting TORY. Now you pay the price in House Prices falling becuase if all told that’s what most are bothered about more than anything around here.

  19. Chocknog Says:

    Good points made Mr B

    You reap what you sow.

  20. David Says:

    A local resident has organised a PUBLIC MEETING at 11am on SATURDAY 6th MARCH in ANDERBY VILLAGE HALL.
    Speakers will include:-
    * SIR PETER TAPSELL, MP - our local Member of Parliament
    * COUNCILLOR EDDY POLL - Executive Councillor for Economic Development and Strategic Planning - Lincolnshire County Council
    * COUNCILLOR COLIN DAVIE - Chairman of Environmental Scrutiny and Member for Anderby - Lincolnshire County Council
    * Hopefully YOU!

    This is your last chance to show East Lindsey District Council that you do not want a Wind farm less than half a mile from Anderby Village and Anderby Creek; we expect ELDC to make their Planning decision within the next couple of months.

    Chatting to local residents over the past few weeks I was surprised that lots of people either didn’t know about the proposal or didn’t realise how near it was to their houses!
    I looked again at the “Environmental Impact Assessment” that accompanies the plans and was suprised to see that many houses are mentioned by name as likely to suffer from either light flicker, noise or ruined views. Or possibly all three! I recommend that EVERYBODY should take the time to look at the documents on ELDC’s website. It’s a massive download - at just under 80MB filesize - but you can get it here - http://www.eldc.gov.uk/e-docs/97362_1.pdf .

  21. mr b Says:

    And ask your local TORY reps if you would be having this meeting now if they had never closed all the pits.

  22. David Says:

    It was standing room only at the Public Meeting with more than 100 people attending. There was a show of hands and only four or five people said they were in favour of the Turbines.

    It was suggested that we set up a formal ANDERBY WINDFARM ACTION GROUP.
    Please would anyone feels that they are prepared to help its formation and contribute their time and energy, attend a meeting at 11AM on SATURDAY 13th MARCH at ANDERBY VILLAGE HALL.
    YOUR VILLAGE NEEDS YOU!

  23. Mrs E Says:

    Did anyone read the Lincolnshire guide in this week’s Target? It states that “Anderby Creek is an unspoilt hamlet hailed as a hidden coastal gem. It attracts visitors each year who have discovered an idyllic hideaway. A preservation order order helps keep life as quiet and traditional as it has been for generations.” Furthermore, the article states “Mile upon mile of coastline - unchanged and undeveloped - offers a haven for lovers of the great outdoors”.

    Lincolnshire Wildlife Trust stated some time ago when discussing and promoting the Coastal Park that “The presence of wind turbines would effectively sterilise the area South of Anderby Creek and would seriously reduce the viability of this initiative”.

    ELDC’s Facebook site states one of their ambitions is to “nurture our distinctive and vibrant communities”.

    Finally, for those of you who were unable to attend the meeting on Saturday morning and those who query the cost of depreciation of their homes, it was mentioned that you can expect a depreciation of between 30 and 50% if the wind farm proposal is accepted.

    Plenty of food for thought here!

  24. Mrs E Says:

    One final thought - these wind turbines are said to be 416ft, Blackpool tower is 518ft. Imagine 6 slightly smaller Blackpool towers on the landscape!!!!

  25. Jill Thwaites Says:

    Another final thought: how much will the depreciation be on your houses when they are under water?

    Many of the arguments given by NIMBYs are based on unsubstantiated falsehoods such as noise or the effects on wildlife.
    Even the RSPB has changed its thinking on windfarms and now says ‘Wind power has a significant role to play in the UK’s fight against climate change. With the right strategic approach and planning safeguards, it can be expanded without significant detrimental effects on birds of conservation concern or their habitats.’

    A major objection raised by most protestors is that they are worried about losing their view, particularly when it is in an area of natural beauty. Whilst this is perfectly understandable, it is not allowed as an objection in the normal planning process where somebody wishes to extend their home, build a property or business in a position that would spoil your view, so why should it be a legitimete reason to object to something that is for the benefit of everyone?

    Climate change is not just going to affect other people; it will be devastating to you too!

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  27. simonpieman Says:

    Very good presentation given by Andrew Kingham yesterday at Anderby Village Hall.This area will become one big buliding site if this goes ahead.Our roads can barely cope with holiday traffic let alone 4500 HGV trips.

    I don’t think anyone came to this area thinking it was going to be develpoed in such an radical manner.

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